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Remember the transition from XviD to h264? Well, soon, 10-bit h264 will replace 8-bit h264.
Advantages
Without going into encoder speak, 10-bit h264 can achieve a same level of quality as 8-bit h264, but at a lower filesize.
Disadvantages
10-bit h264 is not widely supported yet.
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This is simply a discussion your opinions of 10-bit h264.
Tuesday 19th July 2011 
10:28 PM 
*pounds on your shoulder*
Go for it, if you fail I got other subbers just waiting to replace you. 🙂
My computer specs just about play 720p x264.
Guessing I’ll have to stop watching anime then. :<
yes.
You have no other options.
The pimply faced geek that sold me my computer told me it would last for 20 years as well , and I’m not about to doubt his word and take it for a “sales pitch” .. not with me no sir , before I believe something it’s on par with scripture!
I don’t really care for filesize, as long as it plays fine.
Exactly this. ^
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Filesize doesn’t matter that much these days.
Even though i can play 10bit h264 just fine, you shouldn’t risk it .
or at least offer both for some time + a link to a player that can play 10bit (mplayer does, on linux at least) for those who don’t have one
Im in the same situation, and no i dont mind filesize… i just leave my pc on overnight if the file requires.
As far as for the new h264… there is a lot of ppl (I would be one of them) that its pc can handle only til 720p x264.
and, yea btw my speed is 1 MB/s (although until last week it was 512 KB/s, ISP “cheapened” the prices a bit lol)
Heard about this in #madoka a while back, and it sounds very exciting. I feel like the wait has been too long already!
please dont use it
many people wont be able to watch anime that way and the quality of upscaled 10bit is not as good as the original 8bit, and for now only VLC supports it and to be honest VLC sucks
The latest CCCP beta build supports 10-bit h264:
http://www.cccp-project.net/beta/Combined-Community-Codec-Pack-BETA-2011-07-15.exe
>the quality of upscaled 10bit is not as good as the original 8bit
Care to explain why? I feel like that’s literally impossible.
i saw some screenshots in .png (lossless format) on my 1080p screen and i could see many lines composing the image…. i I thought it was annoying
Go for it.
I think mplayer2 supports it just fine as well. still, I would wait until ffdshow and coreavc support it before switching. after they support it, I’m all for it. I don’t care about filesize at all, but since everybody else seems to, seems like a win.
Since both mplayer and vlc support it, I don’t see any software problems.
However, vdpau hardware acceleration doesn’t support it, so watching any 1080p 10bit stuff will be impossible. 720p on the otehr hand would be fine in Hi10p, my CPU can handle that much
I’d wait until it’s more widely supported. Filesize isn’t an issue for most.
Agreed
Works with:
Mplayer:(linux + windows + mac)
http://mplayer2.srsfckn.biz
make link , add to target : -vo direct3d -ass
Mplayer:(linux + windows + mac)
http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer-win32.php
make link , add to target : -vo direct3d -ass
VLC(linux + windows + mac)
http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/win32/last/
CCCP codec pack:(for use in mpc-hc)
http://www.cccp-project.net/beta/
I think those about cover it , don’t you think..
I don’t care about the codec or filesize.
I just want the quality to be as better as possible.
Echoing what others say, I don’t think filesize matters – most people can just download things overnight or something, and people with horrible download speeds can stream or something. People who have the disk space to save episodes shouldn’t care (because they, y’know, have the disk space), and people who don’t have the disk space shouldn’t save episodes.
I’d wait until it’s more widely supported. What if another format comes out in like six months? :v
Smaller filesize = Good
Not widely supported = Bad
Another factor would be required minimum spec for a lot of people, so depending on how resource hungry 10-bit is…..
I saw a thread on /a/ about Hi10P.
Apparently it’s very resource hungry.
Apparently /a/ hates doki right now, you can see with so many “Why doki” threads lately.
But if you talking about that daiz’s thread, maybe you shouldn’t follow them (or at least for now).
Wait until all player can play it. I believe majority of people do not care about this because only “elite” people went to /a/. Your subs are for everyone, right?
Personally I always think if we didn’t care about file size much before. It won’t matter to us majority now.
Plus it saves you the headache of telling everyone why your files won’t work right. Naturally everyones going to ignore this thread.
But you can bet your bacon, they will pitch a hissy fit when the the file they just grabbed doesn’t play correctly if at all.
Stick with what we have that works. The people complaining of file size can buy more memory like they have been =D
PS- your file sizes are just fine.
true, filesize doesn’t matter, also care for people for those who don’t have support for this type….
I’d also say it’s too early to use it.
File size isn’t an issue for most, considering how cheap hard drives are these days. Computer specs and the lack of support however are irritating to deal with. Too early for this format.
Embrace the future
It’s WAY too early to go 10-bit. You can do that after the normal CCCP, core-avc etc. support it.
Also you shouldn’t believe the “smaller filesize” crap, it won’t happen. Most don’t know or care enough about encoding to use 10bit in a useful way, so the only thing we’ll get if this becomes standard is the higher cpu cost.
As long as the “file size isn’t an issue” stays and you find 500mb+ encodes of tv anime-eps, there is just no way 10bit can be useful.
Nice mode for encoders who know their stuff, after it’s widely supported, but I really really hope it never becomes a standard. For now it’s not useful at all.
There are other benefits to 10-bit than filesize. Banding at least should be significantly reduced even if the encoder doesn’t know much about 10-bit.
* if it needs more performance that’s a big minus. I’m getting trouble with full HD on a ’07 machine already : S
* as long as standard players / codec packs don’t widely support it, that’s also a minus (if it’s the future that’ll probably be no problem soon)
* filesize doesn’t matter to many people. In times of 16+ MBit standard connections bandwith is usually not a problem. And 1-2TB HDs aren’t very expensive.
-> the ultimate service would be serving in 10bit as well as 8bit (plus XviD) : P
how about using the 10-bit stuff for BD-releases and 8-bit for the TV-releases ? (less filesize anyway, less guaranteed quality, less archive value, etc.)
I’d switch next season as there will new releases of both CCCP and CoreAVC by then which will support 10-bit
HD ares cheap right? Cheaper are now computers… sigh. Go for the 10bit if the difference in file size is a lot.
If you put to choose a 1080p episode
8bit=1GB
10bit=500-700mb
i would chose the 500-700mb episode. For me it’s better to update the computer each 2 years than be buying Hard drives constantly.
BTW, a tv encode of 720p ~500mb is a shit.
>For me it’s better to update the computer each 2 years
Most people can’t afford to do that. (Me for one.)
just download and watch the 480p xvids, poorfag
>mfw I can play 720p x264
:>
poorfag just because he cant buy a new computer every 2 years? Sorry if not everyone of us are rich as you
Somewhat related to the BD size discussion :
FLAC is overdoing it imo for 1080P BD releases.
It’s become something people expect from BD releases , but a slightly higher bitrate lossy codec is a way more sensible option , when more data can be used towards the video stream that way.
A Channel BD release from doki is:
Video : 392.268.998 bytes
Audio : 279.258.212 bytes
To me that seems way out of proportion.
As said above , people have come to expect it … But using half that size in AAC or other codec would add nearly 140 mb more to video.
Everyone keeps talking about system spec, but do any of you actually know what those spec are?!?
if it works on mplayer, do it!
Why not release some test NCOPs from a show: one with a normal 720p 8bit encode, one with the new 720p 10bit encode, one with the normal 1080p 8bit encde, and lastly one with the new 10bit 1080p encode.
I wanna see and compare with my own eyes. Though the document had some interesting things to say, for one thing I can dig having a smaller file size and slightly higher quality, but ONLY if it doesn’t cause ubber lag on my computer. In short, I really want to see it in action before considering using it.
I’d also say it’s too early to use it
Wait until it’s more widely supported. Even if there is software supporting, there might be unsupported hardware problem for a lot of people
I would hold off until more media players/common codec packs support it.
For me, I sat ‘f file size, GB’s are cheap. I also say ‘f how hard it will peg my CPU, good processors are cheap nowadays too.
If you get the benefit of better quality in less space go for it, but not until it’s better supported.
Just my two cents, but it’s how the world works. Trust me on that.