Following on from the discussion on Hi10P last year, and the results of the voting from last month, it is time to make an official announcement on this matter.
The following will be effective as of Summer 2012:
TV releases
- 720p: If we are able to secure reliable caps (.ts) for a show, we will release in Hi10P. If we cannot, we will release with raws (8-bit h264). We will not be re-encoding 8-bit h264 into Hi10P, because this is retarded. I have noticed some groups out there, who have been jumping on the Hi10P bandwagon, but are not encoding from .ts, and simply re-encoding into Hi10P from 8-bit raws. Audio will be AAC.
- 480p: Whether we are encoding 480p from .ts or re-encoding 480p from raws, the format will remain 8-bit h264. Audio will be AAC.
BD releases
- 1080p: Video in Hi10P. Audio in FLAC (16 or 24 bit).
- 720p: Video in either Hi10P, or 8-bit h264, at the encoder’s discretion. Audio in AAC. If 720p is the top resolution, then it will be Hi10P/FLAC.
- 480p: Video in 8-bit h264. Audio in AAC.
Only exceptions to this rule are movie releases. Joint projects may or may not follow our conventions.
I am on target to release Air and Clannad ~AS~ in Hi10P this summer.
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No 1080p XviD FLAC for TV? I am disappoint.
i demand rmvb!
Or .wmv! Thats older right?
.3gp
*.rm FTW
I demand 5000 of these sent to my adresse by this
Lol wow
I just want the audio in .amr file…is that too much to ask?
go back watching ur shitty porn on ur phone!
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I always grab the 480p, so not really affected, but i still don’t get this hi10p popularity.
Some people don’t like banding.
I hate it.
Even with Hi10P you still have banding on TV release because it was like that on TV and even with blu-ray, there’s often banding because most companies don’t know how to make good blu-ray (that is with decent encoding and no upscaling at least) and the blu-ray standard is bad because limited to High profile DXVA compliant and even with 30Mbps+ bitrate they can’t avoid totally banding.
And if like me you hate banding you always try to find the release with good quality. Banding is bad.
You’re forgetting something: Encoders can filter out banding with things such as gradfun2db() (a really good debanding filter)
I know you can try to filter banding but you can get a better quality is there wasn’t banding at first. When there’s huge banding on the source you can do anything there will still be banding.
Some ppl dont know what banding is like me, so it doesnt apply to us regardless of what format is used lol.
just 5 sec on wikipedia and you can find a very good example of excessive banding
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Colour_banding_example01.png
Any anime examples please?
Thanks for trying to explain but that wiki link does nothing for me. I’m pretty clueless about this stuff sorry.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/132063
pay attention with Araragi’s back. U will see something like “black waves.” That’s banding. And that’s bad.
This is also a comparison between 10-bit and 8-bit.
Sorry because I didn’t use same exact scene.
Thanks Index, I think I’ve seen that before, but didn’t know what it was.
Typically like in the past when I’ve downloaded cartoons when I was younger, I just accepted that poor video was usually associated with the group sucking but as they were the only people doing it and it was watchable anyway I didn’t mind.
I’m easy to please I guess.
I know dat feel, bro.
back then, i satisfied watching AIR from VCD
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Main thing is reduction in filesize (assuming the encoding knows he’s doing lol)
patiently wait for AIR and Clannad AS…
thanks Doki…
btw, whats with this “new” layout…
The layout has been in place for like 2 months lol. Had a poll on it, majority was fine with it.
I prefer the main post in the center though. but w/e
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I tend to be a bit at the left of my 24 inches screen so I find it alright xD
What Index said. But oh well.
I must agree that it’s better with the main post at the center. I also must say that using mostly 1920*1080 screens, I’d like to get 1800px wide banners and like 7 columns because half of my screen is blank. I do understand not all people have high res screens but it would be good if you could make a wider layout.
And for Air and Clannad, can you please do After Story first ? I wish so much to watch the OP with no banding. I don’t care if you delay other stuff (even if I will download most of it) to do it. Clannad is the best
iirc, Holo said it was that way for a (good) reason, something like being compliant for many things and also something about the release picture size.
Its centerish for me on my widescreen shrug.
“I am on target to release Air and Clannad ~AS~ in Hi10P this summer.”
I’m looking forward to them and it would be nice to see rest of LS too.
What heyman said, word for word. Including the LS bit. ^^
I agree, well said heyman.
What those 3 others said ~~~~~~
I have to approve with 4 of you.
Two questions:
– What is Hi10P anyway?
– Why supply FLAC audio, while no living mortal will hear the difference between it, and high-bitrate Vorbis, AAC or MP3?
1. http://doki.co/2011/07/19/discussion-10-bit-h264/ <-- that has a good explanation 2. Because FLAC is lossless. You can encode it to another lossy format without a loss of quality. Vorbis, AAC, MP3 are lossy, and if you re-encode it to another format, you will lose more quality.
I think that we already have too many discussion about this, though.
Indeed. This keeps coming up for some reason.
Yeah verging on beating the dead horse now.
I think this should go onto a FAQ’s page or something.
o.O
Oh yeah. we need FAG section, indeed 😉
Lol, agreed Index.
“I am on target to release Air and Clannad ~AS~ in Hi10P this summer.”
Yay, finally.
I’ve been patiently awaiting a good BD quality copy to replace my old files with.
Damn, at first glance I thought there’s more Lucky Star BD… Still waiting for the remaining 12 episodes.
I’m always going with 720p 10bit. Except for the movies which I usually download in 1080p 10bit. Also now that I bought myself a ~700GB external disc for my anime, I can finally download the best anime ever in the best quality possible. Yes, I mean CLANNADs. So I’m looking forward to the 10bit releases of the After Story.
Not that I’m going to watch it again. Sure, I would like to, but I like my heart in one piece, thank you.
My 2 TB eHDD wasn’t enough~~~~ *sadface*
me too, I saw Konata and I was so excited, then I read the post and went from excitement to a resounding meh
Those 700GB of yours will fly fast if you watch alot of anime my friend. ; )
Dunno, I have a 120gb drive in this comp and havent watched half the anime on here, mostly is used for normal non anime tv shows though, like Once Upon a Time, or CW stuff.
Yeah… it’s amazing how fast a person can fill up an entire TB if you have a good internet connection… -.-‘
30 mbps down, but let’s not talk about bandwidth caps >.<
Lol I get that with Virgin Media, you could be downloading anime or something and suddenly it goes super slow because you’ve exceeded the allowed amount in that time period. That said they’re upfront and honest about it in letter form anyway so I can’t fault them for that. Caps do kinda suck though lol
Just obviously when someone like Doki or another group releases 2 good anime shows in batch form and your fav tv show is out too, It’s best not to download until bedtime because of Virgins policy.
At least I have a constant 30 mbps (it’s really constant) but they charge me 1.50$ (CAD) per GB over my bandwidth data cap =/
Ouch, I have to worry about that with my phone lol.
Sometimes when my internet dies I email people from there or chat online, but when I go over 500mb they charge £5 for another 500mb, Vodafone are mean but they text me before I run out so that’s good.
I have no capped internet, but it was slow as fuck, only 384 kb/s. is it good enough? (¬‿¬)
WHAT?! YOU ARE RELEASING 10-BITS NOW TOO? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS DOKI I CAN’T PLAY IT.
I SEE ONLY GREEN COLOUR
ehhh, nani?
what happen to you Dys?
10bit all the way…
my KEYS will be complete 10bit~
In case you didn’t notice, Dys was sarcastic.
I CAN’T WATCH 10-BITS ON MY PENTIUM 4 STOP RELEASING SHIT I CAN’T WATCH
You can play 720p 10-bit on a Atom so you should be able to play it with a P4, it’s much more powerful. Most P4 are more or less 2Ghz with HT and it has more cache than Atom and it has SSE2 as well. And if I remember correctly, intel used for the first time an out of order architecture for prescott (something there isn’t on an atom) and it’s you get more performance. And benchmarks between P4 processors and 2010 Atom processors showed the P4 was still better except for memory bandwidth (because limited to DDR2). So you should be able to run it if you install the right software and don’t have 50 process making your computer run slow when you try to play videos.
And if you have a really old P4 you should try to get a new computer because if it’s more than 10 years old I think you could easily get a better one from one of your friends that throw away his computer. It’s not that hard to get a mainstream 8 year old computer for free.
He was partaking in my troll. I’m afraid you’ve wasted your words.
It doesn’t matter much I had no better thing to do anyway at that time.
What?… A single core CPU from 2000 is better than a dual core 2010 one?
No but really I tried everything: ffdshow, madVR, dxva, coreavc, mplayer2 and it won’t play 10-bit at all
Just gotta test mplayer2 on linux when I can and that will probably play it.
I played 720p HI10P without problem using my asus 1215b @1.8 and it ran even better on old the P4 i had
What setup did you use?
Atom on netbooks is single core, it’s just HT (two logic cores) and it’s the same with most P4 that support this technology. With a clean install of windows 2000 it should work. If you have a really bad P4 (the early ones) with no HT and low frequencies, it may not work but an average P4 should work fine.
As for the player, i never had trouble on a old xp computer with WMP+K-lite codec pack. Playing 720p uses about half of processing power with a frequency of 2.8Ghz. There’s most of the time many other processes at the same time and it doesn’t lag.
The problem could be that you don’t have enough RAM available to play the video properly (it uses about 250MB to play 720p).
And for comparison a 2Ghz i5 with 2+2(HT) cores is about twice better than a dual core with HT desktop atom @1.7Ghz. Atom is about power saving, the other processors are for performance.
Yeah well mine’s a 1.8Ghz P4 with no HT and 512MB ram
I have watched Accel World on my sister netbook. It was Acer with AMD C-50 dual core @ 1.0 GHz. had a problem with certain intensive-bitrate scene.
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never try to watch HD anime on this kind of netbook.
Suzuku (with Motoka voice).
On a old P4 like this it may work if you can free enough RAM and use realtime process priority for the player. The others processes won’t work but the video should work. For the performance LAV is better so make sure you’re using LAV and not ffdshow.
Y U NO RELEASE VHS my VCR is still doing fine and all I ever watch is VHS tapes and I don’t see what is the deal with this “digital video” thing because VHS is just fine and you can watch stuff with it and not all people have these “computers” I don’t want to buy a computer because they are so expensive and just a fad and my VCR works just fine
Oh man, you guys all made me laugh so hard! XD
Do like! even though obvious troll is obvious xD
I have Nokia 3310. I can’t watch 10-bit video with my phone! 10-bit sucks!
nokia 3310 can play 10bit if you install a CFW (Custom FirmWare) 😉
Won’t work on my Nintendo DS either D: lol
480p! Yay!
Thank you!
I never understood the want for 480p since every toaster plays 720p.
Toasters from 1995 can’t play 480p…
My toaster only toasts bread. You must have a really fancy toaster.
*Ouch* Stop it…My stomach hurts from laughing too much. XD
My toaster can toast your ass, Dys.
My toaster has a red light and wants to kill humans but it can’t play 10-bit video. Should I complain about it ? (Battlestar Galactica if you didn’t understand)
Tha toaster of Yours should play 24bit D: return it ASAP
I couldn’t test 24-bit because I hadn’t any files to test. I want to keep eating Cylon toast. The red light is fun, it looks like it’s watching you, moving left to right then right to left. And it does work well at toasting. For the ones who want to see what it’s like
http://mimg.ugo.com/200907/10194/Battlestar%20Toaster%202009.jpg
My old pentium 4 with built-in agp could play 10-bit 720p .(obviously 1080p is out of question in p4), not to mention about my new i5 pc. You just need to know how to do it properly.
You people are lucky. My toaster omly emits smoke.
And my toaster can only toast breads… into charcoals.
So just use it for burning rather than playback! 🙂
Like toasters that toast hello kitty heads onto your bread lol
Japan makes random stuff.
Is there a link at Doki that tells people how to set up various video players to run Hi10? I know a good resource, with pictures even, which details the how-to.
I use CCCP and can run anything downloaded from Doki. Not sure if a faq is needed for something so simple lol.
Install media player classic home cinema.
It now has native support for 10-bit video, and has always had native support for .mkv and softsubs.
19 out of 20 videos will play without installing ANYTHING else, and more specifically, the vanilla installation of mpc-hc will play anything Doki releases.
Yesterday, I helped my friend by installing media player. The best player for his underpowered laptop was MPC-HC from K-Lite + xy-VSFilter + LAV Filter
1. Install K-Lite
2. Download xy-VSFilter . Remember, pay attention with the Install part.
3. Open MPC-HC, View -> Options -> Playback. Uncheck Auto-load subtitles.
4. Go to External Filter, add LAV Video Decoder and LAV Splitter as Prefer.
5. Go to Playback -> Output, you can choose one from VMR-7 (windowed) until VMR-9 renderless, and EVR until EVR Sync.
Even with dual-core + 862 MB RAM, he can play even UTW Fate Zero 1080p bluray. well, the drawback is, the subtitle becomes blurry
Mplayer2 + SMPlayer2 would work as well and would take lesst time to “set up”
>would work as well and would take lesst time to “set up”
MPlayer2 will be “fine” most of the time. But one day, u will find its defect, well, mplayer2 use libass, ofc.
Note that lack of hardware resources is the main point here
Or just install MPC-HC > Play.
That’s what I do, and I never get any of this lagging crap everyone else likes to bitch about.
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This is a similar setup to what I use, but my combo is MPC-HC + LAV Filters + madVR + Haali Media Splitter. Supposedly this guarantees the highest quality possible, but who knows. I’ve never had a problem viewing any vids since though.
Anyone interested in this setup can go here: http://coalgirls.wakku.to/faq/playback/setup-guide-for-mpc-hc-madvr
@Rawr–Unless CCCP has been very recently updated, it still dithers 10bit video to 8bit in WMP; in other words, you have the compatibility to watch Hi10p videos, but not at Hi10p quality.
That wasn’t CCCP fault. That was FFDShow fault. That’s why I change my Video decoder to LAV Vid Decoder, not FFDShow.
I’m not using MadVR since my computer isn’t powerful enough :/
Ohh, and i remembered that someone mention that Haali splitter had some kind of bug, so I switch to LAV.
I have it set so it comes up with Media Player Classic for all my files, didn’t notice that though.
and I forgot to mention, if u have underpowered PC, and follow CGi’s guide, ur pc will be struggle to play some bitrate-hungry video.
not to mention, u will have some kind of freeze whenever u right-click the video and click Properties.
But i said this with underpowered computer as the main point. That guide was good, too.
lulz and lols… the setup looks great 1080,720 in h10p and 480 in 8bit …this group is the ONLY one i see that tries to make its encodes available to EVERYONE (archive quality is good but…) thanks for the choices!
Most probably a stupid question but since I haven’t been here since like forever, why aren’t all 720p blu rays coming in h10p? Anyway thanks Holo for reworking Clannad AS.
2 possible reasons.
1. As this very post says, 720p is “encoder’s discretion”, meaning if the encoder chooses to do it in 8-bit instead of 10-bit, that’s how it will be done.
2. The Blu-Ray releases began before we implemented Hi10P for 720p BD.
Thanks for the answer 🙂
So 720p might be in 10-bit but still stick to AAC? That just makes no sense to me. The whole point for the 720p if it’s not the highest resolution is meant for maximum compability by consuming the minimum amount of resources for slower computers and not requiring additional decoders. Doing it 10-bit without FLAC is just dumb in my opinion. I know a lot people don’t have a machine capable in handling 10-bit fully ( even at 720p, but at least reconsider that for the 720p encodes.
As for me personally, 1080p 10-bit FLAC is what I like since my new computer laughs at HD.
Our 720p is meant to be the middle ground between 1080p high quality and 480p low quality. It makes perfect sense this way. Smallish download but good watchability.
The AAC/FLAC audio codec choice is a whole ‘nother thread.
I’d say FLAC is best left for 1080p, if that.
Join me in dropping 720p too while you’re at it.
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Fuck your toasters. Watch TV….in Beta Max bitches!! lol XD
That was clearly a joke for those to young, go look up vhs/beta max. Funny shit back then similar to now ;D
Sony U-matic was my first introduction to VCR… now that is going back a bit! 😀
My toaster can play H.264 10-bit @ 1080p smoothly => All hail 10-bit ( ¬‿¬)
All hail toasters ( ¬‿¬)
I stand in awe…I skimmed the comments, and there are no “demands” to release everything(Which is being provided for free.) one specific way(serious demands anyway.) I am really beginning to love the Doki Community.
Does anyone know a good guide for re-encoding 10bit back into 8bit?
I may be in the minority here, but I take BD releases and burn them onto Blu-Rays to watch on my tele. However, I have yet to find a BD authoring program that will support 10bit video, so I need 8 bit files. Soooo… does anyone know a good guide for converting back to 8bit?
type it Google,
10 bit convert 8 bit guide
u got ur answer
For a list of 42,200,000 possible right or wrong ways to do it, that is a great answer Mrs. Nonhelpful.
Holy shit, how dumb are you?
there’s a link to commie site in first page! put some effort when search it! ಠ益ಠ
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still lazy?
commiesubs.com/how-to-convert-10bit-to-8bit/
Well said, just checked myself Index and you’re 100 percent correct. There is also 5 other websites and 2 youtube videos in the search results on google that talk about the same thing.
I don’t know why he didn’t think you were helpful, technically speaking your advice was spot on.
I know that he’s just a lazyfuck
IMHO demanding for an answer in that manner when whoever can give an answer reads won’t really be encouraging.
http://doki.co/support/software-downloads/
But to make this post not go to waste, I’ll suggest some GUI like handbrake, MeGUI, or staxrip with easy-to-learn interface to advanced tweaks depending on your preferences. I believe that there are other softwares too.
http://handbrake.fr/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/megui/
http://staxmedia.sourceforge.net/
lol at these comments. Every time someone brings up 8bit/10bit it turns into the nerd version of dumb sports fans slagging each other off for liking something they don’t like.
Not at all, just the subject has been discussed to death on here many times.
I haven’t seen anyone here ‘slagging’ each other off, and if they were just ignore them. This comments post is pretty laid back if anything, I haven’t seen any negativity here.
Sorry you feel that way though.
Because I have nothing to do so i made a fun with them
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Please don’t give up on the 8bit HD releases. The majority might prefer 10bit, but there’s still a lot of users that want 8bit HD releases.
It would be great if you could do 720p in 8bit when you have 1080p Hi10P. That way, 10bit fans can have the highest quality, but there’s still an HD version for 8bit fans.
The majority don’t “prefer” 10-bit, they just don’t know any better.
Only a tiny fraction of users are hardcore 10-bit bandwagon people. Those that actually download are just passive watchers who just download whatever player or codec pack works for them.
720p 8-bit is still the standard. The only reason for the “10-bit only” thing is to try to advance 10-bit by forced adoption.
There still aren’t any actual 10-bit sources or consumer hardware that will play back actual 10-bit, so it’s all a bunch of BS anyway. Source is 8-bit, hardware is made for 8-bit, everything is 8-bit except the re-encode.
Whatever. I guess the 10-bit bandwagon people find it important to claim they were on the cutting edge and were encoding things in 10-bit even if they had to watch it on 8-bit hardware.
You’re pretty upset by the whole 10bit thing aren’t you?
And incorrect, when we offer both formats 10bit is always downloaded the most. So clearly people do want it. Quit whining and get your facts right.
Pretty sure I’ve told you that _fact_ more than once now.
I don’t know wtf is going on with A.Crush.
He’s such a dick now ಠ_ಠ
I think the saying Agree to disagree applys here, hopefully A.Crush can follow that saying and let the subject drop.
Also 10bit is better than 8bit
“The majority don’t “prefer” 10-bit, they just don’t know any better.”
It’s such a strong word to use “we” without strong evidence (statsistics/survey/etc.)
Why reencode to flac from dts? lossless is lossless and some peoples hardware can do dts… I’ve not seen a receiver setup that does flac in hardware
Wasn’t always like dat, bro. there was some special case
http://doki.co/2010/12/22/nanoha-movie/
“We will not be re-encoding 8-bit h264 into Hi10P, because this is retarded.”
Then why re-encode any of these sources into Hi10P, as they are all 8-bit? There are no 10-bit consumer-level sources.
10-bit might make sense if there was a source direct from the studio or something.
I do agree it’s retarded, for sure. It’d be great if fansubbers stopped doing it.
Vast difference between encoding from a 8bit high quality bitrate BD than there is in re-encoding 10bit 1280×720 from a 8bit 1280×720 encode of a 1440×1080 interlaced tv souce.
Left that part out I guess?
you clearly didn’t understand even a single shit.
http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdf
” However, this is only a part of the story: encoding pictures using 10-bit processing always saves bandwidth compared to 8-bit processing, whatever the source pixel bit depth. ”
lrn2read before u embarrass yourself. we don’t care about ur fucking mouth after this
http://sadpanda.us/images/1042540-EIK5DDP.png
I’ve only been ripping discs, but AFAIK tv streams aren’t that accurate in color sampling, so it turns out that BD/DVD streams benefit more on 10bit conversion.
My Internet is slow.
I hate FLAC (eat half file size, but my ears can’t differ from AAC).
I love 720p AAC.
720p Hi10P is little heavy on me, but mostly OK.
1080p Hi10P is heavy
http://i.imgur.com/usdDV.jpg